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Cam synchro gear roll pin breaking
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Eck
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Cam synchro gear roll pin breaking
So I have a flat tappet cam on my 351 that I've converted to EFI using the cam synchro shaft and sensor from an early 2000's 3.2L F150. I have changed the gear from the steel gear to an iron gear so that it will be compatible with my iron cam. I have used a new synchro shaft from the parts store each time and each time, I can press the gear onto the shaft by hand. The OEM part requires a shop press or a big hammer to get the gear off meaning it shouldn't be that easy to take the gears off and back on on the re-man Chinese junk.
For the 3rd time, the roll pin that holds it in place has broken and I lose all oil pressure. I'm not using a high volume oil pump. I feel my best solution would be to get an OEM from a junkyard and swap the iron gear on that so there is less stress and pressure on the roll pin.
Has anyone else had this issue and found a solution? Any other ideas or suggestions on how to solve this?
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:23 pm |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Cam synchro gear roll pin breaking
You are correct that the sloppy fitting gear is causing the roll pin to break.
I like your resolution plan too.
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:59 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Cam synchro gear roll pin breaking
Kill 2 birds. You can make more EFI friendly power with a good roller cam.
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Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:11 am |
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Eck
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Re: Cam synchro gear roll pin breaking
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:32 am |
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EFI Guy
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Joined: Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:22 pm Posts: 442 Location: Arvada
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Re: Cam synchro gear roll pin breaking
I wasn't aware of any 3.2L stuff, and you should be usning a synchro that is pre 99 on yours. Was that a typo?
If not, try a 96-98 Windstar or Taurus with a 3.8.
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Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:10 am |
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Eck
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Re: Cam synchro gear roll pin breaking
Yah sorry. The 4.2 liter was in the F150. Per Oreilly, it also cross references to the 96-98 Windstar. So my assumption is those are both one in the same. I'm 99% sure I'll end up finding the Windstar at the junkyard and use that as the donor and swap in the iron gear.
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:41 am |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Cam synchro gear roll pin breaking
Just sayin... eck.jpg
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Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:09 am |
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Digger
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Re: Cam synchro gear roll pin breaking
_________________ Cummins R2.8 diesel, ZF5, AtlasII, HP44/BB9, ARBs, coiled / linked suspension, 37" KO2s, full cage, bumpers, etc. Build Thread:
Average 23.5 mpg, Best tank: 25.1 mpg
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Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:39 am |
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horseplay
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Joined: Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:24 pm Posts: 408 Location: Grand Junction CO
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Re: Cam synchro gear roll pin breaking
short term solution before changing to a roller cam get someone to spot weld the gear with a tig welder. Should hold until you make the swap.
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Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:48 am |
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Eck
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Re: Cam synchro gear roll pin breaking
I made it to the junkyard today and was able to get the synchro shaft. The press fit on with the OEM is so much better. Hopefully it'll hold for a bit. For what it's worth, the one I pulled from a Windstar wouldn't go all the way in but the one from the F150 did. In fairness, I did not verify the engine that was in the Windstar so not sure if it had the 3.8L in it. Horseplay- thanks for the suggestion. I was a little impatient and didn't feel like messing with the spot weld. I feel so much better about this OEM fit so I think it'll be better. If it breaks again before I switch to roller cam- I owe you a beer. And just to prove to you guys I'm serious about changing out cams soon, I picked these bad boys up today...
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:52 pm |
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Digger
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Re: Cam synchro gear roll pin breaking
_________________ Cummins R2.8 diesel, ZF5, AtlasII, HP44/BB9, ARBs, coiled / linked suspension, 37" KO2s, full cage, bumpers, etc. Build Thread:
Average 23.5 mpg, Best tank: 25.1 mpg
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Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:43 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Cam synchro gear roll pin breaking
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:07 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Cam synchro gear roll pin breaking
It might not be a bad idea to throw a spare in the glovebox.
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Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:59 pm |
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