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ZOSO
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Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:58 pm Posts: 3906 Location: Henderson, Co
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
Ok I've pretty much decided my build. I've messed around with a lot of different numbers. If the current cam is easily tunable I plan to just keep it. Hoping by going to a 58cc head I can get to 9.5:1 comp. Going to on some AFR165's. Even with the current cam it still will make good power.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Sat Nov 14, 2015 9:04 pm |
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ZOSO
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
Another detail is oil pump drive shaft. Garry mentioned something like using a 351c or something. Just cause it was a little longer to reach fully into the cam position sensor.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Sat Nov 14, 2015 9:12 pm |
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ZOSO
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Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:58 pm Posts: 3906 Location: Henderson, Co
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Sat Nov 14, 2015 9:27 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
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Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:30 am |
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ZOSO
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Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:58 pm Posts: 3906 Location: Henderson, Co
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:30 am |
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ZOSO
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Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:58 pm Posts: 3906 Location: Henderson, Co
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
Another question. What about 4r70w torque converter stall speed. I thought I read that the explorer is somewhere around 2250rpm while the truck converter is 1800rpm. Which is better suited for our mild applications?
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:56 am |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:14 am |
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ZOSO
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Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:58 pm Posts: 3906 Location: Henderson, Co
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:43 am |
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ZOSO
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Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:58 pm Posts: 3906 Location: Henderson, Co
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:49 am |
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Kinder
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
_________________ Best to Date MPG: 26.6
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:59 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
I've heard that those are a nightmare to keep from leaking.
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ZOSO
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Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:58 pm Posts: 3906 Location: Henderson, Co
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
Picked up my mass air flow sensor today. This little guy should flow enough air.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:24 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:30 pm |
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ZOSO
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Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:58 pm Posts: 3906 Location: Henderson, Co
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:36 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:25 pm Posts: 4901 Images: 0 Location: Colorado Springs
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:37 pm |
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ZOSO
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
Yup. I have a set of ford 39lb/hr that will be going in it to. Both items are out of a 03-04 cobra.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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RJLougee
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Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:40 pm Posts: 215 Images: 0 Location: Falcon, CO
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
_________________ '70 Bronco, MAF 5.0, NP435, D44/9", 4.10s, 33" MT/Rs, PS/PB '71 Bronco, HP D60, Hi-9, 5.38/ARBs, 101" WB, 408 Stroker, AOD, Atlas, 40" MT/Rs, PiMP EFI. '78 F150 SWB/Stepside/4WD, 351W/4R100/NP205, 35" KM2s, under const... '81 Coachman Caper XL MH, 4WD, EFI 460/ZF/BW1356, D44/Sterling, 4.10s/35s, under const... '83 Bronco, D60/Sterling, 5.13/ARBs, MAF EFI 351W/ZF/BW1356, 37" MT/Rs. '12 Buggy, HPD60, Hi-9, 4.10s, Explorer 5.0, Atlas 4-speed, my chassis, EB skins. And the latest project is a '99 Ranger Extra-Cab, custom frame/tube work, on 40s...
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RJLougee
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
_________________ '70 Bronco, MAF 5.0, NP435, D44/9", 4.10s, 33" MT/Rs, PS/PB '71 Bronco, HP D60, Hi-9, 5.38/ARBs, 101" WB, 408 Stroker, AOD, Atlas, 40" MT/Rs, PiMP EFI. '78 F150 SWB/Stepside/4WD, 351W/4R100/NP205, 35" KM2s, under const... '81 Coachman Caper XL MH, 4WD, EFI 460/ZF/BW1356, D44/Sterling, 4.10s/35s, under const... '83 Bronco, D60/Sterling, 5.13/ARBs, MAF EFI 351W/ZF/BW1356, 37" MT/Rs. '12 Buggy, HPD60, Hi-9, 4.10s, Explorer 5.0, Atlas 4-speed, my chassis, EB skins. And the latest project is a '99 Ranger Extra-Cab, custom frame/tube work, on 40s...
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Rox Crusher
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:22 pm |
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ZOSO
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
At a minimum run some 24lb injectors.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:24 pm |
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EFI Guy
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
@65 PSI they are roughly equal to 23lbs.
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Rox Crusher
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Kinder
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
It's all above the bar! Dropped it off last week, I need to get the rebalanced Explorer harmonic balancer to him so the internals can be balanced. That's a lot of balancing, ha. We also talked compression and overall drivability. I need to grab his contact info and I'll post it up.
_________________ Best to Date MPG: 26.6
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ZOSO
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
Does anyone have a source for new timing chain cover/water pump bolts for the explorer serp? How about upper intake manifold bolts?
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:51 pm |
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Aztec77Bronco
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
_________________ '77 Sport, 302 HO on it's way to a resurrection! '03 Mercedes CLK 320 Cabriolet (W208 body) '13 Ford F350 Lariat Crew Cab 4wd Power Stroke
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Rox Crusher
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:17 pm |
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Eck
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
Are you referring to this picture? It's on the tech write up on CB: http://classicbroncos.com/tech/explorer ... conversionYou can buy an aftermarket timing chain cover at any parts store. Finding one at a junk yard that doesn't have a bolt rusted out in it may be a challenge. You can also buy kits for the bolts too: http://m.summitracing.com/parts/arp-454-1504
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:39 pm |
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ZOSO
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
Yes. So i cant remember but we dont use any of the studded bolts for anything do we?
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:46 pm |
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Eck
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:23 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: 351 EFI build discussion
Hey that engine looks familiar. You don't need any of the studs. The brackets bolt to the heads. Some of the studs are an odd length that you won't find bolts in.
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