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hockeydad4-22
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Joined: Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:11 pm Posts: 2378 Location: Highlands Ranch Colorado
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carb.... grrrrr
I need help settting up the carb. This rig is burning rather rich and while I used to think I knew a thing or two about them, recent attempts at tuning another much simpler carb have taught me different.
Is there anyone here who is just a wizzard with them? I would be more than happy to compensate said individual for his or her time with untold riches be they in liquid form or cash or trade.
_________________ [color=#BFFF40]Greg
If you are the smartest person in the room - You are in the wrong room
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Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:39 am |
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freeheelbillie
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Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:23 am Posts: 574 Location: Denver
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Re: carb.... grrrrr
I am sure someone on here will post up...however, I am NO wizard when it comes to carbs. I get by but thats about it. If you need a little help right away give my buddy Mitch Lacy a call 720-338-9669. He did some work for another member and does things for me I suck at. Best part is hes fair and willing to teach as hes working. Hes down off Colfax and Vine, tell him Billie sent you down and he'll take good care of you.
Billie
_________________ A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves. (0======0)
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Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:08 am |
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akaFrankCastle
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Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:25 pm Posts: 4901 Images: 0 Location: Colorado Springs
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Re: carb.... grrrrr
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:15 pm |
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ZOSO
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Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:58 pm Posts: 3906 Location: Henderson, Co
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Re: carb.... grrrrr
thats only for tuning the idle circuit. Its time consuming to get it right for cruise and WOT. I cheated and just bought an AEM wideband O2 sensor and tuned it that way. Works great.
What kind of carb are you using?
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:14 pm |
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Kinder
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Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:03 pm Posts: 4371 Images: 0 Location: Parker, CO
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Re: carb.... grrrrr
If it's the stocker 2100 I might be able to help, I've got mine running pretty well.
_________________ Best to Date MPG: 26.6
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Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:15 am |
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akaFrankCastle
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Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:25 pm Posts: 4901 Images: 0 Location: Colorado Springs
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Re: carb.... grrrrr
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:36 pm |
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ZOSO
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Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:58 pm Posts: 3906 Location: Henderson, Co
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Re: carb.... grrrrr
the AEM is the cheap ones. But it is the actual AFR you are running. If you do buy one just buy some extra bungs and plugs. On the power side wire it to a cig lighter and just transfer it from car to car. I paid 179 for mine on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/AEM-WIDE ... 3a6193fd18
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:44 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:25 pm Posts: 4901 Images: 0 Location: Colorado Springs
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Re: carb.... grrrrr
I'm running true duals all the way to the rear. Think it would be worthwhile to bung and plug both sides? I know it's pricey, but a high or low AFR on one side could help me to trouble shoot problems down the road. Thoughts?
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:03 pm |
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ZOSO
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Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:58 pm Posts: 3906 Location: Henderson, Co
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Re: carb.... grrrrr
You could get dual gauges. I run duals on my 79 with no crossover between them and only take the readings from the driver side.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:00 am |
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akaFrankCastle
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Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:25 pm Posts: 4901 Images: 0 Location: Colorado Springs
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Re: carb.... grrrrr
I'll keep thinking on it. I was just thinking a lack of spark on one side would show on that side's gauge as running rich and would help me to track down which was having the trouble.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:22 pm |
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ZOSO
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Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:58 pm Posts: 3906 Location: Henderson, Co
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Re: carb.... grrrrr
you should feel the lack of spark on one side. All this will tell you is if you are getting even fuel to both sides. Even better for what you are looking for is either an EGT in each header tube or wideband for each. That will tell you what cylinder needs work. Im assuming you are running a dual plane intake. There for each side of the carb feeds 2 cylinders on each bank.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:18 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:25 pm Posts: 4901 Images: 0 Location: Colorado Springs
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Re: carb.... grrrrr
No dual plane. Stock barrel intake at the moment. I'm probably just over thinking/engineering this at the moment.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:45 pm |
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Booger
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Joined: Thu Dec 23, 2010 6:55 pm Posts: 809 Location: Broomfield
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Re: carb.... grrrrr
One problem with using a widebiand is that it will drive you crazy. Zoso found out about the different circuits in his carb using it. You can tell more or less which carb circuit you need to work on by looking at the readings. But it can also drive you nuts trying to get it perfect. Never gonna happen.
Then there's the changes in afr with differing air densities. That's why new cars measure inlet air temp and barometric pressure.
Reading the plugs is still the time honored way to tell if the afr is close or not.
I created an Excel spreadsheet to calculate jet and metering rod changes for our Edelbrock carbs. I just enter the stock jetting and then enter various jet and rod combos to see how much of a change is being made. It helped find a few combos the Edelbrock book didn't list because we had a Carter rod and jet kit so could create many more combos than just what comes in the Edelbrock kit. Beats the heck out of using pen and paper to do the calcs.
_________________ Bob - Turning hydrocarbons into noise since 1970
Spiritual owner of the now Zoso mobile (1974 Bronco Ranger - EFI 351W-4R70W-ARB front and rear-STC softtop- High Country hood-3 1/2" WH lift- Cross inboard rear shock mnt- Duffs bumpers- Warn 8274- 33's- Cheby disc conversion)
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Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:23 pm |
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David Smith
Joined: Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:25 pm Posts: 5 Location: Colorado Springs
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Re: carb.... grrrrr
Food for thought; Placed an Edelbrock in my 302, always ran rich, fowled plugs too!. Used the same carb. on my 351w, same richness, could not lean it!. I was usine the "manifold vacuume" port, cause its not ERG. Friend said "try the ERG port because the distributor is from an ERG setup." Switched over and had great results, increased power, able to lean it out. Asked why this happened, he stated the distrubutors for ERGs have different internals. I stated no vacume @ idle! He responded It won't till under load! I don't understand the mechanics, but I understand success!
_________________ Most important is what you learn after you thought you knew it all!
'72 Classic, fresh rebuilt 351W, Edelbrock top-end, C-6, a work in progress since '94.
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