advice on transfer case

advice on transfer case

Postby cravenbronco » Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:29 pm

I have a dana 20 and a c 4 auto transmission. Pulled the plug on the transfer case lots of metal shavings.....so know that it's time to get it rebuilt. Is this going to cause issues with the tranny? Any advise on how to get it out? I've done a manual trans but not an automatic.
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby akaFrankCastle » Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:44 pm

You can pull the transfer without affecting the C4. 6 bolts on the intermediate housing hold the two together.

How long has the C4 been in there?
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby cravenbronco » Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:49 pm

akaFrankCastle wrote:You can pull the transfer without affecting the C4. 6 bolts on the intermediate housing hold the two together.

How long has the C4 been in there?


I have no clue it was in it when I bought it. I've put maybe 2000 miles since I bought it.
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby Viperwolf1 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:13 pm

I recommend leaving the adapter on the trans. That way you won't need a gasket and the tcase is easier to lift.
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby ZOSO » Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:19 am

It's doable by yourself. Done mine twice in the last few months. would be a lot easier if I had a body lift.
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby Justin » Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:59 am

Cutting an access panel in the transmission tunnel helps a ton, too.
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby Kinder » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:46 am

I keep advocating that everyone make the top section of the tunnel removable, I'll bring the cutting tools!
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby cravenbronco » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:51 am

kinder wrote:I keep advocating that everyone make the top section of the tunnel removable, I'll bring the cutting tools!



I don't have to guts to cut on my floor. Would also probably cry :laughing2:
I'll just have to get it out from the bottom.
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby Kinder » Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:36 am

Ford finally realized their mistake in 1978, removable covers ever since.
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby akaFrankCastle » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:42 pm

Cross member support brackets have four 9/16" bolts holding them on to the frame.

The crossmember itself is held to these brackets by two 3/4" nuts and bolts. The top of the 3/4" bolt can usually be accessed with a box wrench from the outside of the frame rail, unless there is an auxiliary fuel tank installed.

Pull the two 3/4" bolts and nuts from the crossmember. Support the transfer case from underneath with a floor jack with a block of wood on top. Loosen and remove the 8 bolts holding the crossmember supports to the frame. Reattach the crossmember supports to the frame using the two top holes in the support and the two lower holes in the frame. Then lower the floor jack and allow the crossmember to rest on the crossmember supports. That will by you an inch or so of wiggle room to get to hard to reach bolts.
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby hockeydad4-22 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:59 pm

akaFrankCastle wrote:Cross member support brackets have four 9/16" bolts holding them on to the frame.

The crossmember itself is held to these brackets by two 3/4" nuts and bolts. The top of the 3/4" bolt can usually be accessed with a box wrench from the outside of the frame rail, unless there is an auxiliary fuel tank installed.

Pull the two 3/4" bolts and nuts from the crossmember. Support the transfer case from underneath with a floor jack with a block of wood on top. Loosen and remove the 8 bolts holding the crossmember supports to the frame. Reattach the crossmember supports to the frame using the two top holes in the support and the two lower holes in the frame. Then lower the floor jack and allow the crossmember to rest on the crossmember supports. That will by you an inch or so of wiggle room to get to hard to reach bolts.


Done this once or twice, eh?
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby cravenbronco » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:24 pm

I think I'm going to try to attack it this weekend depending on work.
might come out with a few battle scars but that's OK
It's intimidating due to the fact this is my first automatic.
If it was a manual transmission. I've done that one a few times and sure not the last
Thank you very much everyone. I will post findings and pictures.
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby akaFrankCastle » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:52 pm

hockeydad4-22 wrote:
Done this once or twice, eh?


I might have been in the general vicinity of a transfer case just last night.

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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby cravenbronco » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:02 pm

akaFrankCastle wrote:
hockeydad4-22 wrote:
Done this once or twice, eh?


I might have been in the general vicinity of a transfer case just last night.

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Wow very Nice
I'm not to excited about it so much. But has to be going before the safari
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby ZOSO » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:06 pm

Does Mike know you stole His engine and trans?
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby akaFrankCastle » Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:20 pm

ZOSO wrote:Does Mike know you stole His engine and trans?


Shh. I'm trying to finish the paper mache replacements now. He'll never know the difference.
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby cravenbronco » Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:45 pm

So I pulled the inspection plate off and I found two things.
I noticed that the oil was real thick like honey.
I also noticed that there were metal pieces on the cover.
The pen wasn't in there I promise
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advice on transfer case

Postby Kinder » Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:30 pm

Gear oil is thick, usually 90 weight. Did you spin the gears & get a look at all the teeth? Hard to tell by the image, but that may be part of a gear tooth.
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby cravenbronco » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:37 pm

So I turned it where I could get the gears to rotate fully and no teeth are broken off.
Now when I tuning the gears shift only 3 but they shift maybe a 1/4 inch here are some pics I'll try to get better ones tomorrow
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby Viperwolf1 » Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:55 am

Look at the cluster gear in the middle. It looks like it's too far forward. I see a gap at the rear between the gear and the thrust washer and it doesn't look like it's aligned with the other gears. My guess is the front thrust washer dropped out of place when it was rebuilt and what you see are chunks of it.
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby cravenbronco » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:46 pm

Well I was wondering do I have to disconnect the shift levers?
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby ZOSO » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:57 pm

Yep. That a t shift or j shift?
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby cravenbronco » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:02 pm

ZOSO wrote:Yep. That a t shift or j shift?



It is a T shift
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby akaFrankCastle » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:05 pm

Should be a single cotter pin holding the rod to the spanner bar between the two shift rails.
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby Viperwolf1 » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:12 pm

You can just remove that cluster gear and see if the front of the case is eaten up bad. If not put some new roller bearings (48) and new thrust washers and you'll be back in business. Take a good look at the shaft too. They usually wear some and your's ran unusally.
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advice on transfer case

Postby cravenbronco » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:11 pm

Was thinking of taking it to a shop. I don't have all the tools needed or I would
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby Kinder » Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:51 am

The only special tool is a in/lb torque wrench, beam or dial type, not click.
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby cravenbronco » Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:33 am

Really that's all was thinking I needed more special equipment than that.
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby cravenbronco » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:24 am

akaFrankCastle wrote:Should be a single cotter pin holding the rod to the spanner bar between the two shift rails.



What's the best way to get cotter pin out from the top
or after the transfer case is dropped down?
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Re: advice on transfer case

Postby akaFrankCastle » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:44 am

Just snatch the loop with some needle nose and give it a few good yanks.
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