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cravenbronco
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advice on transfer case
I have a dana 20 and a c 4 auto transmission. Pulled the plug on the transfer case lots of metal shavings.....so know that it's time to get it rebuilt. Is this going to cause issues with the tranny? Any advise on how to get it out? I've done a manual trans but not an automatic.
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Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:29 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: advice on transfer case
You can pull the transfer without affecting the C4. 6 bolts on the intermediate housing hold the two together.
How long has the C4 been in there?
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:44 pm |
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cravenbronco
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Re: advice on transfer case
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Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:49 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: advice on transfer case
I recommend leaving the adapter on the trans. That way you won't need a gasket and the tcase is easier to lift.
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Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:13 pm |
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ZOSO
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Re: advice on transfer case
It's doable by yourself. Done mine twice in the last few months. would be a lot easier if I had a body lift.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:19 am |
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Justin
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Re: advice on transfer case
Cutting an access panel in the transmission tunnel helps a ton, too.
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:59 am |
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Kinder
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Re: advice on transfer case
I keep advocating that everyone make the top section of the tunnel removable, I'll bring the cutting tools!
_________________ Best to Date MPG: 26.6
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:46 am |
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cravenbronco
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Re: advice on transfer case
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:51 am |
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Kinder
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Re: advice on transfer case
Ford finally realized their mistake in 1978, removable covers ever since.
_________________ Best to Date MPG: 26.6
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:36 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: advice on transfer case
Cross member support brackets have four 9/16" bolts holding them on to the frame.
The crossmember itself is held to these brackets by two 3/4" nuts and bolts. The top of the 3/4" bolt can usually be accessed with a box wrench from the outside of the frame rail, unless there is an auxiliary fuel tank installed.
Pull the two 3/4" bolts and nuts from the crossmember. Support the transfer case from underneath with a floor jack with a block of wood on top. Loosen and remove the 8 bolts holding the crossmember supports to the frame. Reattach the crossmember supports to the frame using the two top holes in the support and the two lower holes in the frame. Then lower the floor jack and allow the crossmember to rest on the crossmember supports. That will by you an inch or so of wiggle room to get to hard to reach bolts.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:42 pm |
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hockeydad4-22
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Re: advice on transfer case
_________________ [color=#BFFF40]Greg
If you are the smartest person in the room - You are in the wrong room
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:59 pm |
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cravenbronco
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Re: advice on transfer case
I think I'm going to try to attack it this weekend depending on work. might come out with a few battle scars but that's OK It's intimidating due to the fact this is my first automatic. If it was a manual transmission. I've done that one a few times and sure not the last Thank you very much everyone. I will post findings and pictures.
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:24 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: advice on transfer case
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:52 pm |
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cravenbronco
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Re: advice on transfer case
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:02 pm |
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ZOSO
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Re: advice on transfer case
Does Mike know you stole His engine and trans?
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:06 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: advice on transfer case
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:20 pm |
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cravenbronco
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Re: advice on transfer case
So I pulled the inspection plate off and I found two things. I noticed that the oil was real thick like honey. I also noticed that there were metal pieces on the cover. The pen wasn't in there I promise
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:45 pm |
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Kinder
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advice on transfer case
Gear oil is thick, usually 90 weight. Did you spin the gears & get a look at all the teeth? Hard to tell by the image, but that may be part of a gear tooth.
_________________ Best to Date MPG: 26.6
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:30 pm |
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cravenbronco
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Re: advice on transfer case
So I turned it where I could get the gears to rotate fully and no teeth are broken off. Now when I tuning the gears shift only 3 but they shift maybe a 1/4 inch here are some pics I'll try to get better ones tomorrow
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:37 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: advice on transfer case
Look at the cluster gear in the middle. It looks like it's too far forward. I see a gap at the rear between the gear and the thrust washer and it doesn't look like it's aligned with the other gears. My guess is the front thrust washer dropped out of place when it was rebuilt and what you see are chunks of it.
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Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:55 am |
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cravenbronco
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Re: advice on transfer case
Well I was wondering do I have to disconnect the shift levers?
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Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:46 pm |
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ZOSO
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Re: advice on transfer case
Yep. That a t shift or j shift?
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:57 pm |
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cravenbronco
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: advice on transfer case
Should be a single cotter pin holding the rod to the spanner bar between the two shift rails.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:05 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: advice on transfer case
You can just remove that cluster gear and see if the front of the case is eaten up bad. If not put some new roller bearings (48) and new thrust washers and you'll be back in business. Take a good look at the shaft too. They usually wear some and your's ran unusally.
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Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:12 pm |
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cravenbronco
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advice on transfer case
Was thinking of taking it to a shop. I don't have all the tools needed or I would
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Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:11 pm |
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Kinder
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Re: advice on transfer case
The only special tool is a in/lb torque wrench, beam or dial type, not click.
_________________ Best to Date MPG: 26.6
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Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:51 am |
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cravenbronco
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Re: advice on transfer case
Really that's all was thinking I needed more special equipment than that.
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Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:33 am |
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cravenbronco
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Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:24 am |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: advice on transfer case
Just snatch the loop with some needle nose and give it a few good yanks.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:44 am |
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