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Eck
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Eck's 351W build thread
I figured I'd start a thread for this so that I can try to keep everything in one place.
I will be pulling the engine this Saturday around 10:30am. I'm gonna try get as much disconnected as I can ahead of time so it shouldn't take too long.
If you can lend a hand, I'd be very appreciative. I'll have some sort of lunch provided for anyone who can attend. Depending on the knowledge level, and time availability- may start to break the engine down for inspection.
PM for my address if you can help.
I've been reading up on how to take the engine apart and it doesn't look too difficult but I'm not real sure what to really look for and diagnose once that's done.
I'll take lots of pics!
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:40 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
Get yourself a 2x4 about 4' long. Cut it in half and the cut one of those sections in half. Three pieces, one 24", two 12". On the 24" piece drill 8 holes for your push rods on one end. See picture. On one of your 12" pieces drill another 8 holes. Once all the push rods are out and seated in the 24" piece, put the 12" piece over the other end of the push rods and tape the contraption together. Mark which end of the wood corresponds with the front of the block and keep the pushrods in order, front to rear. Do the same for the lifters. A cheap and easy way to keep everything together and in order. I'd also drill some holes across the top of that new work bench and insert dowel rods in them. You can hang your pistons and connecting rods off of them when they come out. Use a permanent marker to label orientation of the pistons (which side of the piston was facing the front, what order in the block).
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:54 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
Thanks for the tip!
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:13 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
Seeing as the trails are closed/washing out and breakfasts seem to be falling apart, count me in to help rip this thing out. I'm no longer medicated so I can't promise I'll be entertaining.
Why 10:30? You planning a late night Friday?
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:23 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:43 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
DUNKIN!!!!!!
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:19 pm |
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hockeydad4-22
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
Good luck guys, shouldn't take to long to pull that engine. I am going to be in my garage working on Drews rig so I will miss this one.
Have fun
_________________ [color=#BFFF40]Greg
If you are the smartest person in the room - You are in the wrong room
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Eck
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Eck's 351W build thread
Got the complete engine torn down this morning with the help of ToolMan, Digger, AkaFrankCastle, Nascar Mike, EFIGuy and my buddy Levi. It's definitely a good thing we pulled the engine- there is work to be done. The cylinders look like they'll need to be honed (hopefully that is all). New pistons, rod bearings. Rods need to be checked out as well. The crankshaft will at minimum need polished and maybe replaced and the camshaft maybe polished. New lifters. Engine boiled as well. Not to mention a number of replacement parts that according to the guys helping is just another 100 per part. So- definitely not the best case scenario I was hoping for. After I can get a machinist and/or engine builder look at it and give me some definitive answers- I'll know what exactly what I'm in for. NASCAR Mike is gonna ask his engine guy about his machinist but does anyone have any good and reasonable recommendations for shops?
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:36 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:01 pm |
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Eck
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Eck's 351W build thread
More pictures of the damage. Man was there a lot of metal in the bottom of the oil pan. The cylinders: Pistons: chunked rod bearings too Crankshaft: And lost and found. Two sockets and a mug. Pretty sure the deep socket is Nascar Mike's.
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Eck
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:04 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
Bummer. At that point is almost be going for a bad crank. Then you could build a budget 393 stroker. Sorry I couldn't make it. I was busy communing with a Warthog.
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Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:36 pm |
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Viperwolf1
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
What size are the pistons? Cylinders don't look like 500 miles to me. Might be a good idea to have the big ends of the rods re-sized too. They may not be round anymore.
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Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:40 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Eck's 351W build thread
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:43 pm |
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Digger
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
That sucks
_________________ Cummins R2.8 diesel, ZF5, AtlasII, HP44/BB9, ARBs, coiled / linked suspension, 37" KO2s, full cage, bumpers, etc. Build Thread:
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
OUCH !
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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kbank6
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
Yes, that does suck. With the damage there is I would look into a short block or possibly a long block depending on the head condition. You figure a kit is going to be between 800 and a thousand then you have machine work.
_________________ 73 Ranger (Holy Crap, replacing the door post is so much fun!)
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Eck
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
Advance/Auto Zone, etc. is you are looking for out of the plastic.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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kbank6
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
I don't know at the moment but napa, maybe? I will check a few places we use and grt back with you if I find anything.
_________________ 73 Ranger (Holy Crap, replacing the door post is so much fun!)
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Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:37 am |
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Eck
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hpe-s ... oCpBjw_wcBThoughts? I am not sure how bored (if at all) these are.
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:14 am |
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akaFrankCastle
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Eck's 351W build thread
Should be a standard bore unless otherwise indicated.
Shipping being free makes it seem like a pretty sweet deal.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:41 am |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:22 am |
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kbank6
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
Napa uses ATK which is a very good engine. Autozone has the same thing but a long block for around 1250 and 3 year warrenty and made by surefire. I have used them before with no issues. There warranty is 3 year unlimited miles, no fault. I thought there was another one in COS and I think it is Ace Engine Supply you might want to look at. Also there are some engine builders on CL that you could call on. I agree with Rox that you should keep it local.
_________________ 73 Ranger (Holy Crap, replacing the door post is so much fun!)
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Eck
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
I can't seem to find the parts stores info online. Am I missing something? I'm not sure I'd consider those "local"? I did notice this add on CL. https://denver.craigslist.org/ptd/4570386195.htmlMay give them a call tomorrow to ask some things. Any major questions to ask/consider? I just want to make sure I'm not going backwards with this and I'm doing it right the first time. Not looking for anything from the engine but would like it to be reliable and fun.
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
I'm going to guess that CL ad is for them to rebuild yours, or take yours as a core.
If not, that's a deal
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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landshark
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Eck's 351W build thread
I might tAke everything to Scott at mpg heads in engle wood. He's a good guy and a bunch of us are running engines that he machined. He is a straight shooter and won't charge you for advice. He's going to want to know what kind of engine you want to end up with.
Let him know it's for an early bronco and go from there.
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Eck
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Re: Eck's 351W build thread
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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landshark
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_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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