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DOM radius arms/coil spring location
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Gunnibronco
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DOM radius arms/coil spring location
When I swap axles, I'm planning on replacing my Bloody Knuckle extended radius arms with fabricated DOM arms. My goal is a straight arm with no bends.
Right now I'm running 79 Bronco D44 (I think it's a 65.5" WMS) and adjustable upper coil buckets with extra width to match the wider 79 axles. I plan to build my new axles at the same width.
I'm thinking of going back to a narrower stock coil bucket location. This would allow me to run a straight radius arm without compromising turning radius/tire rubbing on the radius arms. I'm also a bit concerned the larger D60 knuckles won't allow for the same WMS width with the wider coil mount locations. So going back to the stock Bronco coil location would solve both problems.
Would this possibly cause any negative ride/articulation issues? I don't think having a couple extra inches of axle outboard of the coil springs would be terribly detrimental, but wanted input before I put things in motion.
Also, is there any advantage/disadvantage to running shorter or longer upper links? I'm basically going to duplicate the Ruffstuff kit, but they call out longer upper DOM lengths than I expected. My arms should be about 40" (or a little less) long with 7" link separation at the axle.
I'm going to build a set up like the image below and use axle brackets from Ballistic Fab.
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_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:39 am |
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ZOSO
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Re: DOM radius arms/coil spring location
dont see why it would be an issue.
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Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:40 pm |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: DOM radius arms/coil spring location
I took measurements off the 72 and the 74 today. The stock spring location is about 5" narrower than the full width/79 axles.
A friend sent me this, regarding moving the springs in:
"inboarding the springs and keeping the same spring rate will reduce roll stiffness, depending on suspension geometry can also add more roll oversteer"
So I'm going to expect some change to the ride, but hopefully it won't be significantly worse. I think Cody's rig had full width axles with narrow stock upper coil bucket.
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:02 pm |
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Justin
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Re: DOM radius arms/coil spring location
He's right, but with a correctly set up radius arm/panhard bar setup I'm not sure I'd be that worried about roll oversteer. If you're keeping the springs in the stock EB location, I can't imagine you'd pick up meaningful body roll, either, given the same spring rates, etc.
If you separated the coil mounts from the radius arm location and moved the radius arm inboard from stock you'd pick up some roll. You could tune some of that out with stiffer bushings or add a sway bar.
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Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:09 pm |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: DOM radius arms/coil spring location
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:32 pm |
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Digger
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Re: DOM radius arms/coil spring location
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Jesus_man
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Re: DOM radius arms/coil spring location
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_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Gunnibronco
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Re: DOM radius arms/coil spring location
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Gunnibronco
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Re: DOM radius arms/coil spring location
Part of my response to your questions ended up on your 4 link thread. Weird.
I removed and replaced the stock frame brackets when I went to long arms (12”ish longer and thru bolted heims). The brackets that came with the arms were parallel with the frame. The heim misalignment and the bend in the arm allowed everything to work even with the wider axle mounts.
I removed and replaced those brackets when I moved the axle forward 2". Mine are now angled slightly out towards the axle mounts. I think I'll probably be able to leave them as-is and they will be pointing very close to the stock mounting width with straight arms.
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Jesus_man
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Re: DOM radius arms/coil spring location
I saw it. There is something said to now have to rework those brackets. And the front isn't too bad since it's a steering axle and you can maneuver around something if you are getting hung up on that bracket. The rear is a different story, at least it has been for me.
Since I was already cutting off factory stuff, it made sense to try and tuck every up as high as possible, and I went thru all the effort to clock my Atlas flat so anything I can do to improve breakover is worth it.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Gunnibronco
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Re: DOM radius arms/coil spring location
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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