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Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
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Jesus_man
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Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
I am replacing the yoke on my 9". Do I need to replace the crush sleeve or can I just replace the seal and torque the pinion yoke back on?
Thanks!
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:16 am |
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Kinder
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
I’d say the proper way is to replace the crush sleeve, but then you’ll have to pull the pinion to get the setting right. And if you are going to pull the pinion I’d use a crush sleeve eliminator.
_________________ Best to Date MPG: 26.6
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Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:39 am |
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ZOSO
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
Agree with Kirk. I'd put in a crush sleeve eliminator and be done with it.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:42 am |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
I was youtube'ing and came to the same conclusion...but if I do that, then I need to reset the ring gear as well correct? I would assume the pinion depth would change a bit if I replace any part of the pinion assembly.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:58 am |
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Kinder
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Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
No need to reset the gears if you don’t mess with the pinion bearings or the pinion shim(s). You’re going to need a dial or beam inch pound torque wrench to get the preload correct.
I’ll add that you want to get the “feel” of how much backlash you have before you tear into it and compare that to what you have after. It shouldn’t change.
_________________ Best to Date MPG: 26.6
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Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:13 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
Ahh, that's right! The shims for the pinion depth are under the pinion retainer... Wow, so rusty!
Ok, so I'll order the eliminator kit, a new seal and a yoke. Everything else should be good to go!
BTW found what appears to be a nice forged yoke for $60 on amazon!
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:53 pm |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
When I was looking at gears for my F250, I found this site. Very good price for a crush sleeve eliminator. Lots of good reviews of the seller. http://www.ratechmfg.com/pop_up_order%204105.htm
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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ZOSO
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:49 am |
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ZOSO
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
And watch what crush sleeve kit you get. My buddy ordered one for his 8.8 and it only came with 4 shims and we could not get it right with what they provided. Good thing I have kept all my old ones cause we needed them.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:51 am |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:21 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
I'm hoping to get my rear axle operational again tomorrow, but I am struggling to find proper torque specs for the solid sleeve and how to go about it.
Looks like I need to remove the pinion retainer. I set this axle up 10+ years ago, and I am not confident it was 100% correct, so given the opportunity to make it a tad better, I'd like to know what the torque specs should be for everything as I go back together with it, including housing bolts, etc. I do have an in/lb torque wrench I can borrow.
Anyone have those laying around?
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:29 pm |
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Kinder
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
Used pinion bearing preload is 6-7 inch pounds.
_________________ Best to Date MPG: 26.6
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Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:42 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
Wow that's lower than I expected. Thought I saw new is 25in/lbs
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:06 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
This could go in the "SUX" thread!! I fought getting the pinion out of the retainer for about an hour, smashing my knuckle in the process (no press) to discover the setup already had a crush sleeve eliminator in it!! So waiting on these parts was a waste of time. I guess I get to return the kit I bought.
But it has no oil slinger. How important is that?? And now, should I also order a new yoke nut?
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:17 pm |
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landshark
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Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
You should use a new yoke nut but as they are technically one use. But don’t tell anyone, I have reused a few with no ill affects. Just used some blue thread locker.
_________________ 1976 Bronco "Green, Yellow, whatever", 1969 Bronco "Red", 1972 Bronco Stocker "Kind of Blue/Grayish"
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Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:49 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Replacing 9
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:20 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
I got a package of those nuts from Fastenal if you have one near you.
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_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:33 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
Huh...fastenal never ceases to amaze! I do have one. But it's all buttoned up for the time being...
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:22 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
So while the new forged yoke survived the trip, it clearly doesn't have the clearances a factory one does: Time to get the die grounder out for some clearancing!
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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ZOSO
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
JD your picture about the yoke did not show up. I am curious as to what the issue was. Im ready to order one up.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:12 am |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
I have a pretty severe driveshaft angle so you may not have trouble but there was an interference where the cap bosses contacted the valleys of the yoke. Not tho. Pm me your number and I'll text you pic.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:59 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
Let me try to link the picture again:
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:16 pm |
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
It doesn’t look like you had to shave off much.
Any concern about balance \ vibration as a result ?
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:31 pm |
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ZOSO
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
Yea thats not much. But just enough. good to know. I'll likely order that yoke up in the next few days.
_________________ Rob
74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine
New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.
Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
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Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:22 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
The picture is after the self clearance. So I ground it out a bit more and tried to make it as symmetrical as possible.
That being said, I haven't driven it on the highway since. Been trying to address some other issues. So I am not sure of any vibration issues, or if I'd even notice them in my rig.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Kinder
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
I’m not sure if any driveline shop could balance a yoke, worth a phone call though.
_________________ Best to Date MPG: 26.6
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
JD - did you return the crush sleeve eliminator kit ?
If not, I’m needing one and could buy yours from you.
LMK
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Viperwolf1
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Rox Crusher
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Re: Replacing 9
_________________ 1977 Sport, 351w OBDII EFI motor, 4R70W auto, 4:88 gears, ARB lockers, 3.5" suspension, 33" tires.
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Jesus_man
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Re: Replacing 9" yoke - new crush sleeve?
Sorry man, I did return it. Not sure what was in the axle, but this is the one I bought: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00 ... UTF8&psc=1
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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