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Justin's retroactive build thread
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Slow but sure progress. Got the trac bar, tie rod and drag link mocked up. I've got the wheelbase set at 95.5" and I'm probably going to need to scoot the front axle back about half an inch as the tie rod and drag link are overlapping some. Just need to get the driver's side radius arm in after I reposition the axle and I'll be able to cycle the suspension.
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Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:14 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
One blessing in disguise when my track bar bracket tore the hole in my frame is that when I replaced the bracket, I pushed it as far forward as the bushing would allow in anticipation of pushing the axle forward. Mine is also close, but they do clear!
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:30 am |
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Digger
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
_________________ Cummins R2.8 diesel, ZF5, AtlasII, HP44/BB9, ARBs, coiled / linked suspension, 37" KO2s, full cage, bumpers, etc. Build Thread:
Average 23.5 mpg, Best tank: 25.1 mpg
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Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:34 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Got some time in the garage this weekend. Finally got around to changing the wheel bearings on the longer axles and finishing assembly on the rear axle. Just need to fab some shock mounts and the rear will be done. Installed the caliper bracket and spindle on the driver's side so that I could check clearance on things as I cycled the front axle. Definitely glad I moved it back some. The clearance issues are a pain with only moving it forward an inch since I'm trying to keep the COG low while maintaining decent uptravel. Had to throw a tire on the rear while I was at it to get a sense of how it'll look when it's done. It's amazing how much bigger the 37's look compared to the 35's. Still not in love with the wheels, too shiny. I also moved the track bar bracket over about 3". This improved the geometry and freed up a bunch of room for the hydraulic assist. It also did a better job of bracing in all the bracketry on that side. Next up is the fabrication of some upper and lower mounts for the coilovers. I've got an idea for the lowers that will be nicer and stronger than the ones that came with my brackets, and will get met at least an inch of additional uptravel.
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Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:18 am |
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Gunnibronco
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
What is hitting first?
Looks like with the axle any further forward, it would hit the front of the inner fender first?
_________________ "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe 74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, TGW HP1060 and HP1014 axles, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, York OBA, 4x4x2, custom dash & gauges 72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
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Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:28 am |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Yup, inner fender. I think you saw my other thread. I'm going to put a bend in the trac bar to give a little more wiggle room under the oil pan, which will make it worse.
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Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:38 am |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Got a few spare minutes in the garage to bend up the shock hoops and tinker with how I want to do the joinery.
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Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:04 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Progress remains slow but steady. I've got one coilover tower assembled and the parts fabricated for the other. They're set up so that the horizontal tube extends through both sides of each framerail to better distribute the load. I've also partially finished the rear shock towers (the tubing bender is one of the few tools quiet enough to run after the kids are in bed) and begun fabrication of the lower shock mounts for the front axle. They'll provide two mounting points for the coilover about 2 inches apart, giving me some adjustability in the angle of the coilover. It'll allow me to soften the spring and damping rates and increase wheel travel if I'm going to go hit a hard trail but have a stiffer shock for more roll control and better handling on the street. I'm also integrating the landing pads for the air bumps, which I'm planning to mount directly inboard of the coilover if there ends up being room. Finally, I scored a g deal off Craigslist on some almost new Superior chromoly axles and locking preload nuts for the front end. I'll have a little time this weekend and am hoping to get the other coilover tower finished up, the frame reinforced where the track bar mounts, and maybe the lower mounts completed.
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Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:52 pm |
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Digger
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
This thing is going to be a beast
_________________ Cummins R2.8 diesel, ZF5, AtlasII, HP44/BB9, ARBs, coiled / linked suspension, 37" KO2s, full cage, bumpers, etc. Build Thread:
Average 23.5 mpg, Best tank: 25.1 mpg
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Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:41 am |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Thanks! Beastliness is the goal.
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Tue Oct 07, 2014 9:01 am |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Got some garage time today. Most of it I spent crafting these custom cardboard inner fenders. Gonna cover them with duct tape and reinforce them with chewing gum and baling wire. What's a Bronco without duct tape?
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Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:21 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:26 pm |
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crawlercreations
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
_________________ There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness"
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Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:17 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
That's the plan. I'm using perforated sheet and am going to put them in with screws.
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Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:19 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Needs some final shaping, but here's the finished inner fenders. Should keep some of the chunks out while still helping keep things cooler. Also finished up the driver's side coilover hoop. Just need to complete the lower mounts and locate the uppers and then I can move on to making the cross brace.
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Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:54 pm |
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Eck
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Sexy Bronco lace.
_________________ 69 Wagon, 351W, Explorer EFI & Serpentine, ZF5, 35" tires, 3.5 SL, 2 BL, WARN 8274
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Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:09 pm |
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akaFrankCastle
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Cut out a box in your hood, put some of that underneath, and put a lid on it. Trail oven.
_________________ Stroppe'd 1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One 1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:04 pm |
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Stubborn3
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Looking pretty sweet... amazed you get anything done helping everyone else all the time.
_________________ '72 sport, 351 Cleveland, NP435, twin-sticked 20, unknown lift- if any, 35" KM2s siped by B.O.B, custom rust and dents, 2 kid seats.
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Sun Oct 19, 2014 11:35 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Thanks! The club has given lots to me, and I'm glad for chances to give back. Got the lower mounts mostly finished today. Just need to tack on the upper track bar mount and the upper coilover mounts and the suspension will be fully mocked up. Hope to make some progress tomorrow, as I've got the day off work.
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Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:07 am |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
So, let's say I was planning on a 4 link down the road. How insane would I be to just bite the bullet and do it now while I've got it up on jack stands? I've already got the rear coilovers and most of the link material. All I'd need is a truss, brackets and rod end-type things. The plan had been to do the front and then EFI, but I'm thinking it'd be nice to just get the suspension done. Thoughts?
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Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:31 pm |
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Kinder
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
DO IT!
_________________ Best to Date MPG: 26.6
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Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:59 pm |
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mickphatmac
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
_________________ 1968 3.5" Lift on 31's Front serpentine belt ViperBuilt 4x4x2 PS C4 '66 Speedo '66 Horn Button- STROPPE goodies: Steering Wheel, Roll Bar, Cactus Smasher SOLD :(1972 Explorer Sport - '66 Eyebrow Grill - '66 Speedometer - Stroppe Steering Wheel - Stroppe RollBar - ViperBuilt C4
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Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:44 pm |
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crawlercreations
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Having done my 4 link before EFI I would do the EFI before the 4 link. That is IF you had to choose one or the other. The 4 link doesn't give you as much capability as the EFI does. I love my 4 link but I love my EFI more.
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Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:57 pm |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Crawler, thats sort of my thinking. Both will likely happen, just a matter of the order.
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Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:38 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Boy, that's tough. If you didn't have yours apart right now, I'd also lean toward EFI. But, since she's under the knife already, it seems logical to go ahead with the 4-link. Have you done any calculations as to how to assemble the 4-link? Often times the design is 60% the battle over the fabrication part.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:36 am |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
I've tinkered with the calculator a little, but not seriously enough to matter.
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Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:52 am |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Hit a great milestone today-got the front suspension fully mocked up! I may still move the coilovers up a half inch to an inch. I'd rather not, as I don't want to cut the fenders any more than I have, but think I may be impeding some useful uptravel. This is with about 5" of uptravel. If I want more I'll need to move the tops of the coilovers up into the engine compartment and relocate the steering box forward about half an inch. I'm also not sure that I'll be able to use more without seriously massive sheet metal trimming. Next step after I burn in the axle brackets might be to reinstall the spindles and flex it out with the tires on it. Suspension gurus? What do you think? I can take some more pics if it'd help.
Also discovered that the 2nd set of 12" coilovers I bought is actually a 14" travel set. I'm actually really good with this, as I've mostly decided to mount the shocks on the back side of the axle when I link the rear end, so this will more than give me back the travel I'd lose in the process.
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Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:29 pm |
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Jesus_man
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Good work! Throw your tires on and that may make the decision for you.
_________________ 1973 Bronco, 351 SEFI, Locked, discs, 35's ZF-5spd and Atlas 4spd. 235:1 Crawl Ratio. It may be ugly, but it's slow. http://www.ucora.org
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Mon Nov 03, 2014 2:05 am |
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Justin
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Progress continues to be slow but steady. I've got the passenger's front brackets fitted and finish welded, and spent today welding the axle tubes to the center section and filling in the plug welds. Over-built continues to be the name of the game. I'm hoping to get the driver's side finish welded tonight, then can get get the landing pads and mounting brackets for the hydro bumps located and fabricated.
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Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:26 pm |
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Moab Mike
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Re: Justin's retroactive build thread
Man that's a lot of geometry!
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